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JSH - 05 Oct 2008 07:38 GMT
Oh well maybe it was too much to hope that one infinite series might
make a difference and I have analyzed the situation and believe that
mainstream mathematicians who must be aware of my research, as I
routinely notify them by email, are relying on the angry idiots on the
sci.math newsgroup as their cover.

My guess is they feel they can sit back indefinitely and routinely
reject my papers which yes I still do send to math journals, and
always say later that my research was not accepted by the mainstream
math community citing sci.math which puts me in a conundrum.

Now that I've used tautological spaces again I can potentially wipe
out the need for new research in some other area of number theory, but
I suspect mathematicians will just act like I didn't and still do
pretend research so I'm not sure if that's the way.

The angry idiots on sci.math have continually challenged me to solve
the factoring problem and post a demonstration as one thing they'd
have to accept.  I find that fascinating as a challenge, as I've said
I refuse to do research in that area as I'm worried about crashing the
world economy.

But that worry is diminishing as the world economy is crashing on its
own.  Kind of ironic, don't you think?

Regardless, I'm not interested in adding to the misery because
mathematicians can lie as a group, are heartless fiends, who pretend
to like mathematics when they despise it, who are also very savvy
political operators.

The political war continues and I'm up against people who could teach
George W. Bush some lessons, but that is just the reality of the
problem.

Wasted time.  Wasted lives.  But let's face it.  At the end of the
day, the lives of math students aren't any more important than the
lives of countless other people all over the world facing so much
worse than throwing their time and mental energy away learning crap
math.

James Harris
Tim Smith - 05 Oct 2008 12:32 GMT
In article
<c6be0ba0-3414-48ea-b7cb-b9e8cf568b44@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> The angry idiots on sci.math have continually challenged me to solve
> the factoring problem and post a demonstration as one thing they'd
> have to accept.  I find that fascinating as a challenge, as I've said
> I refuse to do research in that area as I'm worried about crashing the
> world economy.

That excuse doesn't apply to your refusal to solve generalized Pell
equations, so how come you won't post examples showing that?  You've
claimed you have a complete theory of these equations that allows you to
easily solve them, so do so, and show your work (you need to show your
work because there are known methods to solve these equations, so just
giving the solution doesn't show that you used your methods).  If your
work is correct, that will silence those critics who say the work is
wrong.

As far as factoring goes, you can prove that your work is worthwhile
there with no risk to the economy.  Factor this number, *without*
showing your work:

1592446803836973340257844184776567170418574846915726286677037761337532726
0535814541642907537463366628784232857943333616132843339805373127194007892
4697781512147521343020462163092907480811865357017526420645311111937936398
1887142388001020076031408293924608889274748315559176043607988529061689549
5684337907995512874114679381974294179109940651907932816832136595301813503
7569668475295851246742035216071955100491715407478939563443382569168729865
6697339147794728859432396787490219222762191214923904140280580357950267490
4817639735426643345492401305081687426946377109629197366692195108491586019
329752352000656981134002103717749

I generated that specifically for you.  It is not used in any
cryptographic system.  Nothing economically depends on it at all.
It is far beyond what any known algorithm can factor in reasonable time,
so if you were to factor it, that would be pretty convincing proof you
have a major factoring breakthrough.  Hence, there is no need for you to
actually show the work, and so no danger that this will harm the economy.

Signature

--Tim Smith

JSH - 06 Oct 2008 04:43 GMT
> In article
> <c6be0ba0-3414-48ea-b7cb-b9e8cf568...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> That excuse doesn't apply to your refusal to solve generalized Pell
> equations, so how come you won't post examples showing that?  You've

It's boring to me.

> claimed you have a complete theory of these equations that allows you to
> easily solve them, so do so, and show your work (you need to show your
> work because there are known methods to solve these equations, so just
> giving the solution doesn't show that you used your methods).  If your
> work is correct, that will silence those critics who say the work is
> wrong.

No it wouldn't.

> As far as factoring goes, you can prove that your work is worthwhile
> there with no risk to the economy.  Factor this number, *without*
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> 4817639735426643345492401305081687426946377109629197366692195108491586019
> 329752352000656981134002103717749

No, I can't factor that and I'm not continuing research that might
lead to me being able to factor it.

James Harris
Tim Smith - 06 Oct 2008 06:08 GMT
In article
<c8458173-992a-4f0a-8603-2c2e9573634b@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > The angry idiots on sci.math have continually challenged me to solve
> > > the factoring problem and post a demonstration as one thing they'd
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> No, I can't factor that and I'm not continuing research that might
> lead to me being able to factor it.

Bottom line: you've asserted you have a complete theory of Pell-like
equations, that easily gives solutions.  The "paper" you've written is
incomplete and full of errors, so no one else is able to learn your
theory from that.  You have not demonstrated actually solving a single
equation using your theory, so we don't even have a reason to believe
that the flaws in the paper are due to poor writing, rather than due to
an incorrect underlying theory.  Thus, it comes down to you simply
making a public claim that you've solved the problem, but providing no
evidence whatsoever that you have done so.

Same with factoring.  You've claimed a breakthrough, but what you've
written discloses a method that is similar to old, known, slow methods
of factoring.  Your method is only notable compared to those for being
particularly slow.  So, either you've botched your disclosure, or you
don't have anything.  So, this too comes down to you having simply
asserted you have solved the problem, with no evidence provided.

Claims without proof impress nobody.

Signature

--Tim Smith

JSH - 07 Oct 2008 01:12 GMT
> In article
> <c8458173-992a-4f0a-8603-2c2e95736...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> Bottom line: you've asserted you have a complete theory of Pell-like
> equations, that easily gives solutions.  The "paper" you've written is

I do.

> incomplete and full of errors, so no one else is able to learn your
> theory from that.  You have not demonstrated actually solving a single
> equation using your theory, so we don't even have a reason to believe

That's not true.  The paper actually has an example of an equation
being solved, though I don't use the full theory, as it wasn't
necessary.

In the paper as readers can see for themselves as it's on Google Docs:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfs4mntm_35gc7sc4dv

I solve in integers:

x^2 + 2xy + 3y^2 = 4 + 5x + 6y

by solving the equation:

(-4(x+y) + 10)^2 + 2S^2 = 166

which is related to it by the theory.

I've noticed that you rant a lot, make false statements a LOT, and
really stupid ones as if you can't comprehend the concept of a
previously unknown infinite series or comprehend how that can be of
mathematical interest, and seem to really want to keep my attention by
me replying to you.

That is annoying, tedious and a waste of my time.

James Harris
johoie - 07 Oct 2008 17:39 GMT
On Oct 5, 10:08 pm, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article
> <c8458173-992a-4f0a-8603-2c2e95736...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:

<Snip crap math>

>> > No, I can't factor that and I'm not continuing research that might
>> > lead to me being able to factor it.
>
>> Bottom line: you've asserted you have a complete theory of Pell-like
>> equations, that easily gives solutions. The "paper" you've written is

>I do.

>> incomplete and full of errors, so no one else is able to learn your
>> theory from that. You have not demonstrated actually solving a single
>> equation using your theory, so we don't even have a reason to believe

<snip Crap Math>

>That is annoying, tedious and a waste of my time.

>James Harris

JSH,  a dull witted + mean troll.
fishfry - 05 Oct 2008 18:17 GMT
In article
<c6be0ba0-3414-48ea-b7cb-b9e8cf568b44@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

?

> Regardless, I'm not interested in adding to the misery because
> mathematicians can lie as a group,

They even study Lie groups!

>are heartless fiends, who pretend
> to like mathematics when they despise it, who are also very savvy
> political operators.

smooth operators, alright.
johoie - 07 Oct 2008 17:35 GMT
> Oh well maybe it was too much to hope that one infinite series might
> make a difference and I have analyzed the situation and believe that
> mainstream mathematicians who must be aware of my research, as I
> routinely notify them by email, are relying on the angry idiots on the
> sci.math newsgroup as their cover.

Huh?   Trivial is, as trivial does.
What about non-mainstream mathematicians?
What about non-angry idiots on sci.math ?
What about angry non-idiots on sci.math ?

> My guess

Hey! No Guessing!  NOT allowed.

> is they feel they can sit back indefinitely and routinely
> reject my papers which yes I still do send to math journals, and
> always say later that my research was not accepted by the mainstream
> math community citing sci.math which puts me in a conundrum.

May the conundrum be with you.

> Now that I've used tautological spaces again I can potentially wipe
> out the need for new research in some other area of number theory, but
> I suspect mathematicians will just act like I didn't and still do
> pretend research so I'm not sure if that's the way.

Holy sh.t,  Batman!  "tautological spaces",  a seemingly highly intellegent
word - not.
JSH, always pretending to do research....

> The angry idiots on sci.math have continually challenged me to solve
> the factoring problem and post a demonstration as one thing they'd
> have to accept.  I find that fascinating as a challenge, as I've said
> I refuse to do research in that area as I'm worried about crashing the
> world economy.

nope, you are not smart enough to do it, that is the real reason.

> But that worry is diminishing as the world economy is crashing on its
> own.  Kind of ironic, don't you think?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> to like mathematics when they despise it, who are also very savvy
> political operators.

You stay by yourself much of the time?

> The political war continues and I'm up against people who could teach
> George W. Bush some lessons, but that is just the reality of the
> problem.

Try restructuring your nebulous sentance.

> Wasted time.  Wasted lives.  But let's face it.  At the end of the
> day, the lives of math students aren't any more important than the
> lives of countless other people all over the world facing so much
> worse than throwing their time and mental energy away learning crap
> math.

JSH, inventor of Crap Math (CM), tautological spaces (CM), one infinite
series (CM),the factoring problem (CM)

> James Harris (CM)
 
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