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jstevh@msn.com - 15 Jun 2006 07:48 GMT
I first began to get a real grasp of the true situation when I was
arguing about my prime counting function, which is actually THE prime
counting function, and after yet another useless argument on sci.math
with some regulars, it occurred to me, they had to know.

They had to know that what I had actually was different from what was
previously known in key ways, but they were deliberately lying about
it.

Now I have found a new factoring method.

Literally trillions of dollars WILL move as a result, but for now, you
can see the quiet as these people keep lying.

How is it possible?

Mathematics is a difficult discipline.

Or you can say, math is hard.

Most people shy away from it because it IS so hard, but a few people
learned that while doing real mathematics was hard, LOOKING like you
were doing real mathematics was easier.

So they fake it.

Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being mathematicians
is someone who actually is a mathematician.

So they beat up such people, force them out of the discipline, and
drown them out with crowd forces.

Their loophole was the reality that major mathematicians only come
around once every couple of hundred years, so they got away with it for
a bit over a hundred years, and I was forced into my destiny.

If it were up to me, I'd be doing so many other things than this.

But it's not up to me, I'm driven by some overwhelming force that makes
me fight against these people pretending to be real mathematicians, and
so, here we are.

The encryption system that they said was so powerful--because they're
not real mathematicians--is now, as I type this, broken.  The world
does not know this because the social forces are that strong, but
eventually the truth will be known.

These people are people some of you admire and trust, who have sat
back, for years now, clearly I think, believing that social forces
could stop someone like me.

But mathematics is more than just a word.

The proof for those of you who hoped, believed, or just wanted to deny
the truth is in that new factoring method, which if the people you
thought were mathematicians actually were, then they'd be talking about
it everywhere, warning the world, excited about it, and working on
solutions to protect OUR WORLD.

But instead, they are quiet, leaving the doors open, leaving the world
vulnerable.  Leaving it possible for innocents to suffer or even die
because they are not who they claim to be.

But I am.

The choice is yours.  I can't do it alone.

These people will let civilization crumble.  They will let terrorists
and other criminals, or anyone who has the will and know-how to use the
mathematics in an evil way, do it, without the world knowing because it
trusts them because they are not who they claim to be.

You may die if you do nothing, and isn't that fair?

Is life really not fair, or are most people cowards to the truth?

A person like me comes around only every hundred years or so, and
people forget.

And then a LOT of people die, and then the mythologies are written,
legends are born.

But make no mistake, you might be one of those people who die THIS
time.

I suggest to you that even if you don't give a damn about mathematics,
couldn't care less about what is truth, why should you protect fakes
who have betrayed you, yet again, and in their inability to understand
and their lack of intelligence, they leave the world vulnerable,
because this time, to stop this post, all they had to do was step
up--and protect the world?

TODAY they could have stepped up to protect the world.

Die for them?

Why?

And even if you won't die, why let anyone else?

Their quiet is your answer if you had questions.

Yes, they lied.  They betrayed the world.  And they lost.

Question now is, who loses with them?

James Harris
José Carlos Santos - 15 Jun 2006 08:09 GMT
> Now I have found a new factoring method.

Don't forget to tell us when it turns out that you failed... again! :-)

> Literally trillions of dollars WILL move as a result, but for now, you
> can see the quiet as these people keep lying.
>
> How is it possible?

Let's see. Perhaps because nobody but you believes that it works?

Best regards,

Jose Carlos Santos
Gib Bogle - 15 Jun 2006 08:20 GMT
> I first began to get a real grasp of the true situation when I was
> arguing about my prime counting function, which is actually THE prime
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>
> James Harris

One for posterity, James.
gjedwards@gmail.com - 15 Jun 2006 09:12 GMT
> I first began to get a real grasp of the true situation when I was
> arguing about my prime counting function, which is actually THE prime
[quoted text clipped - 103 lines]
>
> James Harris

Once again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Bertie Reed - 15 Jun 2006 09:12 GMT
James, what would be your reaction to someone who said

> If it were up to me, I'd be doing so many other things than this.
>
> But it's not up to me, I'm driven by some overwhelming force

Hopefully you would suggest they seek psychiatric help. Then perhaps they
could escape from this situation.

Bertie
MTD - 15 Jun 2006 09:23 GMT
We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
Proginoskes - 15 Jun 2006 09:27 GMT
> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391

Only one example was given, and no systematic way of finding the values
for K_1, K_2, K_3, and K_4 has been found yet.

    --- Christopher Heckman
Mary K - 15 Jun 2006 13:23 GMT
>> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
>> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>     --- Christopher Heckman

systematic is mathematical, and mathematicians lie, therefore to find the
truth one must use non-systematic methods which is guessing.
Proginoskes - 15 Jun 2006 23:38 GMT
> >> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
> >> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> systematic is mathematical, and mathematicians lie, therefore to find the
> truth one must use non-systematic methods which is guessing.

JSH says he's a mathematician, and mathematicians lie. Therefore, JSH
is lying.

    --- Christopher Heckman
Dik T. Winter - 16 Jun 2006 02:23 GMT
...
> > systematic is mathematical, and mathematicians lie, therefore to find the
> > truth one must use non-systematic methods which is guessing.
>
> JSH says he's a mathematician, and mathematicians lie. Therefore, JSH
> is lying.

Partly.  He is stating that he is an amateur mathematician, so he is an
amateur lyar.  Real mathematicians are much better at it.
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ungernerik@aol.com - 15 Jun 2006 16:45 GMT
> > We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
> > using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>      --- Christopher Heckman

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Factorize 391 ?  That's a tough one.

I'll just re-use K_1, K_2, K_3, K_4 from my earlier example for T =
13439

T = 391
X = 21

X ^ 2 - T = 50 = 2 * 5 ^ 2 ,
So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 5 ^ 2

K_1 = 3
K_2 = 4
K_3 = 1
K_4 = 3

F_1 = 2 * 3 ^ 2 - 1 ^ 2 = 18 - 1 = 17
F_2 = 2 * 4 ^ 2 - 3 ^ 2 = 32 - 9 = 23

Factorization of RSA is left as an exercise for the student.

YHBT
Dik T. Winter - 16 Jun 2006 02:14 GMT
...
> Factorize 391 ?  That's a tough one.

Let's see if I can follow this.  Do it with T = 5183.

> I'll just re-use K_1, K_2, K_3, K_4 from my earlier example for T =
> 13439

I will just try to calculate them.

> T = 391
> X = 21

X = 79

> X ^ 2 - T = 50 = 2 * 5 ^ 2 ,

X^2 - T = 1058 = 2 * 23 ^ 2.

> So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 5 ^ 2

So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4) ^ 2 = 23 ^ 2.

> K_1 = 3
> K_2 = 4
> K_3 = 1
> K_4 = 3

Will not work (obviously) so I will explore other values.

> F_1 = 2 * 3 ^ 2 - 1 ^ 2 = 18 - 1 = 17
> F_2 = 2 * 4 ^ 2 - 3 ^ 2 = 32 - 9 = 23

This is based on (I think) F_1 = 2 * K_1 ^ 2 - K_3 ^ 2 and
F_2 = 2 * K_2 ^ 2 - K_3 ^ 2 (because the remainder of the formulas
cancel).

It will take some time before you find that:
  K_1 = 2
  K_2 = 5
  K_3 = 9
  K_4 = 11
will work.  I did program it (making it a real algorithm).  First assume
K_1, K_2 and K_3 are positive.  Starting with a sum of 3 and incrementing
the sum, explore all possible combinations of K_1, K_2 and K_3 with that
sum.  Calculate K_4 (using the two possible formulas).  If integral
continue and calculate F_1 and F_2.  Calculate their product, if it is T
you are done.  The first 349 results were not equal to T, it was the
350th result that was equal to T.  This is a bit worse than trial division
(disregarding that it takes some time to find X = 79).

Now I am trying to find an X for T = 7743.  Can you help me?  Heck, even
with T = 143 I can not find an X that satisfies the relations.  Can you
help me factorise 143?
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ungernerik@aol.com - 16 Jun 2006 03:48 GMT
> ...
>  > Factorize 391 ?  That's a tough one.
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> dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131
> home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

Here you go:

T = 7743
X = 88

X ^ 2 - T = 1 = 1 * 1 ^ 2 ,
So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2

K_1 = 44
K_2 = 45
K_3 = 43
K_4 = 44

F_1 = 1 * 44 ^ 2 - 43 ^ 2 = 1936 - 1849 = 87
F_2 = 1 * 45 ^ 2 - 44 ^ 2 = 2025 - 1936 = 89
---------------------------------------------------------------

T = 143
X = 12

X ^ 2 - T = 1 = 1 * 1 ^ 2 ,
So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2

K_1 = 6
K_2 = 7
K_3 = 5
K_4 = 6

F_1 = 1 * 6 ^ 2 - 5 ^ 2 = 36 - 25 = 11
F_2 = 1 * 7 ^ 2 - 6 ^ 2 = 2025 - 1936 = 13

If X ^ 2 - T = Z ^ 2, you don't have to search. The K 's
can be calculated. (but why bother?)
Its when X ^ 2 - T always has a large nonsquare factor,
that I have trouble with this set of expressions.

Since they resemble Pell equations, I don't see any way
to avoid difficulty with large search spaces.
Dik T. Winter - 16 Jun 2006 15:08 GMT
> > ...
> >  > Factorize 391 ?  That's a tough one.
...
> >  > X = 21
...
> > Now I am trying to find an X for T = 7743.  Can you help me?  Heck, even
> > with T = 143 I can not find an X that satisfies the relations.  Can you
> > help me factorise 143?
...
> Here you go:
>
> T = 7743
> X = 88
>
> X ^ 2 - T = 1 = 1 * 1 ^ 2 ,

Why then did you not use X = 20 for T = 391?  Or (for that matter) X = 120
for T = 13439?  (X = 20 is smaller, X = 120 is slightly larger.)

> So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2

Why would you wish to find K_1 to K_4 in this case?  It is immediate
that (X - 1) * (X + 1) = T.

> K_1 = 44
> K_2 = 45
> K_3 = 43
> K_4 = 44

How did you find them?

> T = 143
> X = 12

Same here.

> If X ^ 2 - T = Z ^ 2, you don't have to search. The K 's
> can be calculated. (but why bother?)

Indeed.

> Its when X ^ 2 - T always has a large nonsquare factor,
> that I have trouble with this set of expressions.

I think that in general finding an X such that X ^ 2 - T is a square
will not take much longer than finding an X such that that number has
a small non-square factor, and once you have the X, finding the K's
seems to me much more problematical.  But this start to look pretty
much as a variation of Fermat's method.
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ungernerik@aol.com - 16 Jun 2006 04:07 GMT
> ...
>  > Factorize 391 ?  That's a tough one.
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> home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

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Here you go:

T = 7743
X = 88

X ^ 2 - T = 1 = 1 * 1 ^ 2 ,
So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2

K_1 = 44
K_2 = 45
K_3 = 43
K_4 = 44

F_1 = 1 * 44 ^ 2 - 43 ^ 2 = 1936 - 1849 = 87
F_2 = 1 * 45 ^ 2 - 44 ^ 2 = 2025 - 1936 = 89

-----------------------------------------------------------

T = 143
X = 12

X ^ 2 - T = 1 = 1 * 1 ^ 2 ,
So (K_2 * K_3 - K_1 * K_4 ) ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2

K_1 = 6
K_2 = 7
K_3 = 5
K_4 = 6

F_1 = 1 * 6 ^ 2 - 5 ^ 2 = 36 - 25 = 11
F_2 = 1 * 7 ^ 2 - 6 ^ 2 = 49 - 36 = 13

When X ^ 2 - T = Z ^ 2, you don't have to search.
The K's can be calculated. ( but why bother?)
Its when X ^ 2 - T always has a large nonsquare factor,
that I have trouble with this set of expressions.

Since they resemble Pell equations, I don't see any way
to avoid difficulty with large search spaces.
The Last Danish Pastry - 15 Jun 2006 18:53 GMT
>> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
>> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
>
> Only one example was given, and no systematic way of finding the
> values
> for K_1, K_2, K_3, and K_4 has been found yet.

I find that quite a good method is to slice a tomato and look at the
patterns made by the pips. Sometimes they seem to form digits.

Has anybody else had any success with this method?

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Chip Eastham - 15 Jun 2006 22:18 GMT
> >> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
> >> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
> >
> > Only one example was given, and no systematic way of finding the
> > values
> > for K_1, K_2, K_3, and K_4 has been found yet.

Clive wrote:

> I find that quite a good method is to slice a tomato and look at the
> patterns made by the pips. Sometimes they seem to form digits.
>
> Has anybody else had any success with this method?

Thanks, this explains something that had me puzzled.

I find myself staring at the digits of pi.

Sometimes they seem to form tomatoes.

But please, let's keep this a secret, okay?

Quadrillions of investor pips are at tomato stakes here.

regards, chip
guenther vonKnakspot - 16 Jun 2006 07:08 GMT
> >> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
> >> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Has anybody else had any success with this method?

Tooth, kindly warn the reader before making this type of posting. I
almost asphyxiated laughing.
Regards.

> --
> Clive Tooth
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The Last Danish Pastry - 16 Jun 2006 13:41 GMT
>> >> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA
>> >> numbers
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Tooth, kindly warn the reader before making this type of posting. I
> almost asphyxiated laughing.

Ah... one of those beer-sprayed-all-over-the-screen moments perhaps...

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guenther vonKnakspot - 17 Jun 2006 08:25 GMT
> >> >> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA
> >> >> numbers
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Ah... one of those beer-sprayed-all-over-the-screen moments perhaps...
You seem to enjoy doing this to people. How nasty!
Regards.

> --
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> www.clivetooth.dk
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Tim Peters - 15 Jun 2006 21:48 GMT
[MTD]
>> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
>> using your cutting edge techniques, James. Or, for that matter, 391

[Proginoskes]
> Only one example was given, and no systematic way of finding the values
> for K_1, K_2, K_3, and K_4 has been found yet.

Sorry, but much of that is wrong.  The example you're referring to _here_
was an example of Enrico's method, and Enrico has given more than one
example.  It's true that Enrico hasn't given a systematic way to satisfy his
equations.

James appears to believe that Enrico's method is his (James's) method, but
it's not.  Enrico posted his method in a thread James started, and used five
of the same symbol names as James used (although Enrico uses UPPERCASE), so
James probably knee-jerk _assumed_ Enrico was talking about James's method.
But apart from the symbol names, they have little in common.

WRT James's (most recent) method, there are at least two systematic ways to
find integer k_i "that work" without knowing T's factors in advance:

1. k_1 = k_3 = 1
  k_2 = any integer
  k_4 = T - k_2

2. k_1 = T
  k_3 = 1
  k_2 = 1 - k_4*T
  k_4 = any integer

It's easy to verify that T = k_1*k_3*(k_1*k_4 + k_2*k_3) given either of the
above.

In a long post yesterday, I showed that James's method can't find a
non-trivial factor in case #1 above.  In case #2, it turns out it _can_ find
a non-trivial factor, but if and only if you eventually pick a "y" for which

   1 < gcd(2*y, T) < T

My post yesterday proved that for a special case of #2, and made an
incorrect claim that k_2=1 k_4=0 was forced when k_1=T & k_3=1, but turns
out the conclusion holds in the general #2 case anyway.

I don't count the variant of #2 with k_1=1 & k_3=T as being essentially
different (and, of course, a similar "can't get there from here" conclusion
follows from it).
The Last Danish Pastry - 15 Jun 2006 21:53 GMT
> [MTD]
>>> We're still waiting for you to factorize some of those RSA numbers
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> essentially different (and, of course, a similar "can't get there
> from here" conclusion follows from it).

Well, yeah. But what about the pointed sticks?

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The Last Danish Pastry - 15 Jun 2006 09:24 GMT
>I first began to get a real grasp of the true situation when I was
> arguing about my prime counting function, which is actually THE
> prime

Very good!!

But what about the definition of "banana"?

And what about pointed sticks?

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guenther vonKnakspot - 15 Jun 2006 10:11 GMT
> >I first began to get a real grasp of the true situation when I was
> > arguing about my prime counting function, which is actually THE
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> And what about pointed sticks?
Hmmm...
¿Chocolate covered frozen bananas on a stick?

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The Last Danish Pastry - 15 Jun 2006 19:05 GMT
The Last Danish Pastry wrote:
> <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150354125.670535.58600@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> And what about pointed sticks?
Hmmm...
¿Chocolate covered frozen bananas on a stick?

Chocolate covered frozen bananas on a pointed stick, AXUALLY.

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guenther vonKnakspot - 16 Jun 2006 07:11 GMT
> The Last Danish Pastry wrote:
> > <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Chocolate covered frozen bananas on a pointed stick, AXUALLY.

The rigour! The rigour!
Lasse - 15 Jun 2006 23:06 GMT
> Very good!!
>
> But what about the definition of "banana"?

Regarding the suitability of bananas for publication, see

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/11015f6484242465
Justin - 15 Jun 2006 10:58 GMT
: Mathematics is a difficult discipline.
: Or you can say, math is hard.
...
: So they fake it.

It's true - upon closer reflection, my PhD Thesis is comprised entirely of
paper mache, glue, white bread, and the occasionally badly formed
derivative.

I am discovered, alas!

Justin
David C. Ullrich - 15 Jun 2006 12:20 GMT
>[...]
>
>A person like me comes around only every hundred years or so, and
>people forget.

Wrong on both counts, sorry.

>And then a LOT of people die, and then the mythologies are written,
>legends are born.
>
>But make no mistake, you might be one of those people who die THIS
>time.

Just curious: Are you really not aware of the fact that when you
talk this way readers are going to conclude that you're totally
crazy?

>I suggest to you that even if you don't give a damn about mathematics,
>couldn't care less about what is truth, why should you protect fakes
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>James Harris

************************

David C. Ullrich
pomerado@hotmail.com - 15 Jun 2006 20:28 GMT
> Just curious: Are you really not aware of the fact that when you
> talk this way readers are going to conclude that you're totally
> crazy?

It's a sign of the times.  The #1 NY Times bestseller is just as full
of paranoia, self-serving fantasies, and lies.
Chip Eastham - 15 Jun 2006 22:37 GMT
> > Just curious: Are you really not aware of the fact that when you
> > talk this way readers are going to conclude that you're totally
> > crazy?
>
> It's a sign of the times.  The #1 NY Times bestseller is just as full
> of paranoia, self-serving fantasies, and lies.

I'm curious which NYT bestseller list you have in mind.

They have one set of categories (fiction, nonfiction, advice)
for hardcover, another for paperback, and they also have a
children's book category.

Perhaps you are referring to the DaVinci Code, currently
atop the paperback fiction list?  I'm really hoping it's not a
dig at Anderson Cooper, whose book heads up hardcover
nonfiction.

Go ahead.  Tell me the truth, I can take it.

regards, chip
Proginoskes - 15 Jun 2006 23:43 GMT
> > > Just curious: Are you really not aware of the fact that when you
> > > talk this way readers are going to conclude that you're totally
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>
> Go ahead.  Tell me the truth, I can take it.

It's Ann Coulter's latest book, _Godless: The Church of Liberalism_.

Thank goddess I'm a Discordian.

    --- Christopher Heckman
Dik T. Winter - 16 Jun 2006 02:25 GMT
...
> > Go ahead.  Tell me the truth, I can take it.
>
> It's Ann Coulter's latest book, _Godless: The Church of Liberalism_.
>
> Thank goddess I'm a Discordian.

I think I am lucky being a third generation heathen from all sides.
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Gib Bogle - 19 Jun 2006 23:41 GMT
> Thank goddess I'm a Discordian.

Hey, what's that?  Maybe I'm one and don't know it.
amzoti - 19 Jun 2006 23:54 GMT
> > Thank goddess I'm a Discordian.
>
> Hey, what's that?  Maybe I'm one and don't know it.

Try:

1. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tilt/principia/

2.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism

3.  Discordian.com

Note: I had no clue what this was either.

--W
David Moran - 15 Jun 2006 12:33 GMT
> Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being mathematicians
> is someone who actually is a mathematician.

You should know that first hand.

> A person like me comes around only every hundred years or so, and
> people forget.

Nah, I can think of a lot of Cranks, you being at the top.

Dave
MTD - 15 Jun 2006 13:45 GMT
> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being mathematicians
> > is someone who actually is a mathematician.
>
> You should know that first hand.

Er, how could he? He's _not_ a mathematician.
stephen@nomail.com - 15 Jun 2006 15:54 GMT
>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being mathematicians
>> > is someone who actually is a mathematician.
>>
>> You should know that first hand.

> Er, how could he? He's _not_ a mathematician.

But he is someone faking at being a mathematician.

Stephen
David Moran - 15 Jun 2006 22:24 GMT
>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being mathematicians
>>> > is someone who actually is a mathematician.
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> Stephen

Which was my point.

Dave
The Last Danish Pastry - 15 Jun 2006 22:29 GMT
>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
>>>> > mathematicians
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> Which was my point.

... of a pointed stick?

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Spice Melange - 17 Jun 2006 03:58 GMT
>>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
>>>>> > mathematicians
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> ... of a pointed stick?

which monte python was that from ?
mensanator@aol.compost - 17 Jun 2006 06:15 GMT
> >>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
> >>>>> > mathematicians
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>
> which monte python was that from ?

Season One Episode Four: Self-Defense.

   RSM: Right! Bananas! How to defend yourself against a man armed
        with a banana. (to first man) Here, you take this. (throws
        him a banana) Now it's quite simple to defend yourself
        against the banana fiend. First of all, you force him to
        drop the banana, next, you eat the banana, thus disarming
        him. You have now rendered him helpless.

2nd Man: Supposing he's got a bunch.

   RSM: Shut up!

4th Man: Supposing he's got a pointed stick.

   RSM: Shut up.
John Meglier - 18 Jun 2006 01:19 GMT
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>> >>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
>> >>>>> > mathematicians
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>
>    RSM: Shut up.

I remember that one.
JSH must be a banana, he seems to have no point.
Proginoskes - 18 Jun 2006 06:51 GMT
> > >>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
> > >>>>> > mathematicians
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>     RSM: Shut up.

If memory serves, RSM was John Cleese, 2nd Man was Michael Palin, and
4th man was Eric Idle.

    --- Christopher Heckman
mensanator@aol.compost - 18 Jun 2006 15:55 GMT
> > > >>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
> > > >>>>> > mathematicians
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> If memory serves, RSM was John Cleese, 2nd Man was Michael Palin, and
> 4th man was Eric Idle.

Yes, but who was first man, the one to whom was tossed the banana?

>      --- Christopher Heckman
Proginoskes - 20 Jun 2006 00:45 GMT
> > > > >>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
> > > > >>>>> > mathematicians
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> Yes, but who was first man, the one to whom was tossed the banana?

The one who screamed at RSM and was shot? Graham Chapman, right? (I'm
not Googling here.)

There's also a 3rd Man, who was probably Terry Jones. (Either that, or
it was a guest ... Gilliam didn't get many "live" roles.)

     --- Christopher Heckman
mensanator@aol.compost - 20 Jun 2006 02:32 GMT
> > > > > >>>>> > Trouble is, the worst thing for people faking at being
> > > > > >>>>> > mathematicians
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> The one who screamed at RSM and was shot? Graham Chapman, right? (I'm
> not Googling here.)

Yep. I don't Google either since I have the two-volume collection
of the scripts

Monty Python: All the Words

> There's also a 3rd Man, who was probably Terry Jones.

Oops, you caught me without my books. But I believe so,
he's the one who was given raspberries.

> (Either that, or
> it was a guest ... Gilliam didn't get many "live" roles.)
>
>       --- Christopher Heckman
willo_thewisp@hotmail.com - 15 Jun 2006 13:34 GMT
> These people will let civilization crumble.  They will let terrorists
> and other criminals, or anyone who has the will and know-how to use the
> mathematics in an evil way, do it, without the world knowing because it
> trusts them because they are not who they claim to be.

James, I actually think the system is more robust than you give it
credit for.  For example, when you were screwing things up at Alltel,
they recognized your incompetence pretty fast and got rid of you.
It's that kind of thing that gives me faith in the system!
Lord Protector - 15 Jun 2006 17:07 GMT
Have you ever considered becoming an amature sociologist instead of an
amature mathematician? I think you'd do well, all sociologists do is
talk bullshit ....

> I first began to get a real grasp of the true situation when I was
> arguing about my prime counting function, which is actually THE prime
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> James Harris
Proginoskes - 15 Jun 2006 23:39 GMT
> Have you ever considered becoming an amature sociologist instead of an
> amature mathematician?

That's funny, unless you think "amature" means "beginner".

    --- Christopher Heckman

> I think you'd do well, all sociologists do is talk bullshit ....
>
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> >
> > James Harris
Dik T. Winter - 16 Jun 2006 02:19 GMT
> Have you ever considered becoming an amature sociologist instead of an
> amature mathematician?

He is.  Not so very long ago he posted an article where he said that he
was conducting a psychological experiment with his postings.  The difference
is only slight.
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Tim Peters - 16 Jun 2006 00:18 GMT
[jstevh@msn.com]
> ...
> The proof for those of you who hoped, believed, or just wanted to deny
> the truth is in that new factoring method, which if the people you
> thought were mathematicians actually were, then they'd be talking about
> it everywhere, warning the world, excited about it, and working on
> solutions to protect OUR WORLD.

Umm, what new factoring method?  Enrico's?  Note that _he's_ not making
crazy claims about his method.  Or, if you didn't get there yet, it's time
you noticed that the method he posted in the:

   JSH: So quiet, new factoring method or not?

thread was his own method, not a rearrangement of ideas you've posted.
 
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