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Re: JSH: Learning from the negative Pell's Equation



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Re: JSH: Learning from the negative Pell's Equation

Martin Musatov16 May 2009 21:16
> >For me the chilling proof that math society itself willfully lies can
> >be seen with some really trivial algebra, Pell's Equation and the
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>
> rossum

Why Thank You,  Rossum, you have to imagine the putting of the square
peg iin a round hole, the  process hath required a little elbow
grease.--Martin Musatov [P=NP, Just for the taste of it! Diet Coke!]

rossum16 May 2009 17:38
>For me the chilling proof that math society itself willfully lies can
>be seen with some really trivial algebra, Pell's Equation and the
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>Given ANY set of non-zero integer solutions to the negative Pell's
>equation
However, there is a problem...

> j^2 - Dk^2 = -1
This equation does not have an integer solution for all non-square D.
What is the solution for D = 7 for example?

>you will ALWAYS have a solution to Pell's Equation
>
>x^2 - Dy^2 = 1
>
>from x = 2j^2 + 1.
Provided you also have a solution to the first equation, which is not
always the case.

>That is a mathematical absolute.  
Your method does not give an answer for all values of D.  That is also
a mathematical absolute.

>Now go try to find it in a
>contemporary mathematical textbook.
You have been given references to Brahmagupta and to a 20th century
textbook.

>What I like about this result is how clearly it shows the political
>nature of the modern field of number theory.
I think not.  It shows that an inferior method that is incapable of
solving the Pell equation for D = 7 has been discarded in favour of a
superior method, continued fractions, that can solve the Pell equation
for all non-square values of D.  Nothing to do with politics, merely
replacing a less good solution with a better solution.  No need to
look for sinister hidden motives.

rossum

>Number theorists, quite simply, lie.  I dare them to keep ignoring
>this result!  I like beating up on them.
>
>James Harris

JSH16 May 2009 00:09
For me the chilling proof that math society itself willfully lies can
be seen with some really trivial algebra, Pell's Equation and the
negative Pell's Equation which is why I keep mentioning it, as I can
beat up on math society worldwide with this result indefinitely.

Given ANY set of non-zero integer solutions to the negative Pell's
equation

j^2 - Dk^2 = -1

you will ALWAYS have a solution to Pell's Equation

x^2 - Dy^2 = 1

from x = 2j^2 + 1.

That is a mathematical absolute.  Now go try to find it in a
contemporary mathematical textbook.

What I like about this result is how clearly it shows the political
nature of the modern field of number theory.

Number theorists, quite simply, lie.  I dare them to keep ignoring
this result!  I like beating up on them.

James Harris

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